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Is Face-to-Face Learning Really as Good as We Think It Is? with Yusuf Ben-Tarifite (#363)

Is Face-to-Face Learning Really as Good as We Think It Is? with Yusuf Ben-Tarifite (#363)

#EdufuturistsPodcast #AIinEducation #SocialMobility What if the biggest problem in education isn't AI, it's that almost nothing we already do has ever been tested for evidence the way a new drug would be? In this episode In this episode, Ben and Steve sit down with Dr Yusuf Ben-Tarifite - A&E doctor, social mobility researcher, and founder of Ava - to talk about what happens when you apply medical-grade evidence standards to education. From email-blasting a thousand consultants to get work experience, to building the UK's first randomised control trial comparing AI tutoring against video, Yusuf makes the case that education's real crisis isn't too much AI scepticism; it's not enough rigour applied everywhere else. About our guest Dr Yusuf Ben-Tarifite is an A&E doctor and the founder of Ava, a platform helping students navigate the "unwritten curriculum" of applying to university. The first in his family to attend university, he studied medicine at Balliol College, Oxford, after attending a state school in Hertfordshire with no private tutoring. While still a medical student, he founded Aspiring Medics - now having worked with over 10,000 students - and was awarded the Diana Award by Prince William for his work widening access to medicine. Ava now partners with the Sutton Trust on AI-powered interview coaching and evidence-based research into social mobility. We cover: - Yusuf's journey from a Hertfordshire state school to Oxford medicine, and why he founded Aspiring Medics a week before Freshers' Week - The Diana Award, Prince William, and "leaving the ladder down" for others - Ava's mission: equality of opportunity, not just support for disadvantaged students - Why AI is a continuum, not a chatbot and how Ava uses it as a Socratic tutor and interview coach - Building an actual evidence base: doubling Oxbridge odds, and the UK's first randomised trial of AI vs video tutoring - The real hope for AI in education and the risk of turning students into "AI zombies" - Why writing and thinking are the same skill, and what that means for assessment - "I call bullshit": how often is high-quality face-to-face teaching actually happening? - The GCSE resit numbers that expose a one-size-fits-all system already failing thousands - Why cognitive discomfort, like progressive overload in the gym, is the point of learning, not a bug - The shrinking half-life of technical skills, and what it means for lifelong learning Why you should listen This is a rare conversation where a working doctor's instinct for evidence collides head-on with education's comfort with anecdote and tradition. If you've ever been frustrated by "it just works" arguments on either side of the AI debate, Yusuf brings a genuinely evidence-led perspective. Chapters 0:00 Highlights 0:58 Welcome 3:20 Introducing Dr Yusuf: A&E doctor, researcher and founder of Ava 3:57 From a Hertfordshire state school to Oxford medicine 5:33 Who Ava is for: narrowing the gap, or equality of opportunity for all? 7:15 The AI revolution and democratising education 8:17 The Diana Award, Prince William, and "leaving the ladder down" 10:25 What still drives him after the recognition 11:44 From Aspiring Medics to Oxbridge: his North Star for social mobility 13:33 Mirroring the Edufuturists journey, and the shrinking half-life of skills 16:18 Why social mobility is complicated and why tech alone won't fix it 18:04 Inside Ava: a "training course" for university applications 19:38 The "who you know" problem, and levelling the playing field 20:56 AI as a Socratic tutor and why "the genie can't go back in the bottle" 22:49 Building the evidence base: doubling Oxbridge odds, and the UK's first AI vs video trial 23:44 Beyond the hype: the real hope for AI in education, and the risk of "AI zombies" 26:33 Outsourcing the doing, not the thinking 28:13 Teaching cognitive biases, and why writing is thinking 29:58 Is high-quality face-to-face learning really happening as often as we assume? 31:47 The longitudinal evidence question, and a one-size-fits-all model that's already failing 33:04 Why AI should face the same scrutiny as every other intervention 34:07 The COVID hangover, and why we're asking the wrong question about online learning 36:10 Is there a gap between policy and technology? 37:35 Cognitive discomfort: why learning should feel like exercise 41:28 Has the fundamental nature of learning really changed? 42:43 Quickfire Questions Find out more about AVA: https://ai.theaspiringmedics.co.uk/ Thanks so much for joining us again for another episode - we appreciate you. Ben & Steve x Check out all about Edufuturists at https://www.edufuturists.com Want to sponsor future episodes or get involved with the Edufuturists work? Get in touch: info@edufuturists.com Grab your copy of the new Pick 'n' Mix Education book at: https://www.crownhouse.co.uk/picknmix-education Join the Edufuturists Wolfpack: edufuturists.com/wolfpack
Is Face-to-Face Learning Really as Good as We Think It Is? with Yusuf Ben-Tarifite (#363)
#EdufuturistsPodcast #AIinEducation #SocialMobility What if the biggest problem in education isn't AI, it's that almost nothing we already do has ever been tested for evidence the way a new drug would be? In this episode In this episode, Ben and Steve sit down with Dr Yusuf Ben-Tarifite - A&E doctor, social mobility researcher, and founder of Ava - to talk about what happens when you apply medical-grade evidence standards to education. From email-blasting a thousand consultants to get work experience, to building the UK's first randomised control trial comparing AI tutoring against video, Yusuf makes the case that education's real crisis isn't too much AI scepticism; it's not enough rigour applied everywhere else. About our guest Dr Yusuf Ben-Tarifite is an A&E doctor and the founder of Ava, a platform helping students navigate the "unwritten curriculum" of applying to university. The first in his family to attend university, he studied medicine at Balliol College, Oxford, after attending a state school in Hertfordshire with no private tutoring. While still a medical student, he founded Aspiring Medics - now having worked with over 10,000 students - and was awarded the Diana Award by Prince William for his work widening access to medicine. Ava now partners with the Sutton Trust on AI-powered interview coaching and evidence-based research into social mobility. We cover: - Yusuf's journey from a Hertfordshire state school to Oxford medicine, and why he founded Aspiring Medics a week before Freshers' Week - The Diana Award, Prince William, and "leaving the ladder down" for others - Ava's mission: equality of opportunity, not just support for disadvantaged students - Why AI is a continuum, not a chatbot and how Ava uses it as a Socratic tutor and interview coach - Building an actual evidence base: doubling Oxbridge odds, and the UK's first randomised trial of AI vs video tutoring - The real hope for AI in education and the risk of turning students into "AI zombies" - Why writing and thinking are the same skill, and what that means for assessment - "I call bullshit": how often is high-quality face-to-face teaching actually happening? - The GCSE resit numbers that expose a one-size-fits-all system already failing thousands - Why cognitive discomfort, like progressive overload in the gym, is the point of learning, not a bug - The shrinking half-life of technical skills, and what it means for lifelong learning Why you should listen This is a rare conversation where a working doctor's instinct for evidence collides head-on with education's comfort with anecdote and tradition. If you've ever been frustrated by "it just works" arguments on either side of the AI debate, Yusuf brings a genuinely evidence-led perspective. Chapters 0:00 Highlights 0:58 Welcome 3:20 Introducing Dr Yusuf: A&E doctor, researcher and founder of Ava 3:57 From a Hertfordshire state school to Oxford medicine 5:33 Who Ava is for: narrowing the gap, or equality of opportunity for all? 7:15 The AI revolution and democratising education 8:17 The Diana Award, Prince William, and "leaving the ladder down" 10:25 What still drives him after the recognition 11:44 From Aspiring Medics to Oxbridge: his North Star for social mobility 13:33 Mirroring the Edufuturists journey, and the shrinking half-life of skills 16:18 Why social mobility is complicated and why tech alone won't fix it 18:04 Inside Ava: a "training course" for university applications 19:38 The "who you know" problem, and levelling the playing field 20:56 AI as a Socratic tutor and why "the genie can't go back in the bottle" 22:49 Building the evidence base: doubling Oxbridge odds, and the UK's first AI vs video trial 23:44 Beyond the hype: the real hope for AI in education, and the risk of "AI zombies" 26:33 Outsourcing the doing, not the thinking 28:13 Teaching cognitive biases, and why writing is thinking 29:58 Is high-quality face-to-face learning really happening as often as we assume? 31:47 The longitudinal evidence question, and a one-size-fits-all model that's already failing 33:04 Why AI should face the same scrutiny as every other intervention 34:07 The COVID hangover, and why we're asking the wrong question about online learning 36:10 Is there a gap between policy and technology? 37:35 Cognitive discomfort: why learning should feel like exercise 41:28 Has the fundamental nature of learning really changed? 42:43 Quickfire Questions Find out more about AVA: https://ai.theaspiringmedics.co.uk/ Thanks so much for joining us again for another episode - we appreciate you. Ben & Steve x Check out all about Edufuturists at https://www.edufuturists.com Want to sponsor future episodes or get involved with the Edufuturists work? Get in touch: info@edufuturists.com Grab your copy of the new Pick 'n' Mix Education book at: https://www.crownhouse.co.uk/picknmix-education Join the Edufuturists Wolfpack: edufuturists.com/wolfpack
Caught between the AI hype and the AI fear with Trudi Barrow (#361)
What if the real danger of AI in schools isn't plagiarism, it's your own child telling you off for not saying "thank you" to Alexa? In this episode, Ben and Steve sit down with Trudi Barrow - Edufuturist of the Year 2026 - to talk about the messy, brilliant middle ground between traditional craft and generative AI. From a late-night Midjourney experiment for a Year 10 design class to co-authoring the DfE's national AI toolkit now reaching over 30,000 schools and colleges, Trudi explains why she refuses to pick a side in education's most polarising debates. About our guest: Trudi Barrow is a former Head of Design & Technology turned AI and creativity specialist, trained at RADA in theatre design before moving into the classroom. She co-authored the Department for Education's national AI toolkit with Chiltern Learning Trust and Charter College, coined the concept of "creative fidelity," and was crowned Edufuturist of the Year 2026 in June. We cover: - How a rushed exemplar for a Year 10 D&T class led Trudi into her first real experiment with AI image generation - Why she refuses to be labelled an "AI evangelist" and how she holds two opposing truths at once - What it's really like being a woman walking into a D&T workshop - Inside the DfE's national AI toolkit: reaching 30,000+ schools, and the subjects still being left out of the conversation - Why anthropomorphised AI - and her daughter telling Alexa to say thank you - worries her more than most classroom AI use - Safeguarding in the AI era: "same risks, different vectors" - The truth about AI and sustainability, beyond viral "one image = boiling a kettle" stats - What it actually felt like to be named Edufuturist of the Year 2026 Why you should listen If you've ever felt caught between the AI hype and the AI fear, or wondered how creativity, craft and technology can genuinely coexist in the classroom, this conversation offers a rare, grounded middle ground from someone who has lived both sides. Chapters 0:00 Highlights 1:14 Welcome back and Wolfpack community updates 2:40 Introducing Trudi Barrow, Edufuturist of the Year 2026 3:52 From RADA and theatre design to Head of D&T 6:35 Discovering Midjourney and Discord as a non-gamer 8:06 The Year 10 keyring exemplar that changed everything 13:46 Holding two truths: neither AI evangelist nor AI sceptic 15:34 Being a woman in a Design & Technology workshop 18:29 Pottery wheels and AI awards: why both fit 20:37 Knowledge vs skills, and finding a third way 23:55 Co-writing the DfE's national AI toolkit 27:27 The subjects still missing from the AI conversation 30:06 Creativity isn't just for the "creative subjects" 31:58 Inside the toolkit: reaching 30,000+ schools 35:55 The Alexa story: anthropomorphising AI at home 39:03 Safeguarding: same risks, different vectors 42:27 Why sustainability has to be part of the AI conversation 48:05 What winning Edufuturist of the Year 2026 really meant 53:17 Quick-fire questions Connect with Trudi at: https://www.linkedin.com/in/trudibarrow/ Find out more about her at: https://sites.google.com/view/trudi-barrow/home Check out the DfE AI Toolkits she co-authored: https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/generative-artificial-intelligence-in-education/generative-artificial-intelligence-ai-in-education Thanks so much for joining us again for another episode - we appreciate you. Ben & Steve x Check out all about Edufuturists at https://www.edufuturists.com Want to sponsor future episodes or get involved with the Edufuturists work? Get in touch: info@edufuturists.com Grab your copy of the new Pick 'n' Mix Education book at: https://www.crownhouse.co.uk/picknmix-education Join the Edufuturists Wolfpack: edufuturists.com/wolfpack
Home-educated, not Home-Alone: The Live Pick & Mix Education Panel at MVA's Birthday Party (#362)
What if the man who invented modern American schooling didn't actually believe in it, not enough to send his own kids? In this episode, Ben and Steve take Edufuturists live on stage in front of an audience at Minerva Virtual Academy's (MVA) 5th birthday celebration, launching their new book, Pick 'n' Mix Education. They're joined by MVA founder and CEO Hugh Viney and home educating parents Hannah and Olivia for an unfiltered conversation about why "one size fits all" schooling is failing families and what choice actually looks like in practice. About our guests Hugh Viney is the founder and CEO of Minerva Virtual Academy (MVA), returning for his second appearance on the Edufuturists podcast. MVA has been named Edufuturists Online School of the Year for two years running. Hannah has home educated her children for nearly 16 years, previously worked in behaviour management at a pupil referral unit, and now has two of her older teens studying at MVA. She is on social media as https://www.instagram.com/thrivingwithhannah/ Olivia is a home-educating mum of two who built an online following around family life before opening up about choosing education outside the mainstream system. She is on social media as https://www.instagram.com/lifeatmoathouse/ We cover: - The Woolworths "pick and mix" analogy at the heart of Ben and Steve's new book - Horace Mann: the godfather of standardised American schooling who homeschooled his own kids - Why every penny of profit from Pick 'n' Mix Education goes to youth mental health charity Beyond - Hannah's move from unschooling to MVA, and the exam results that surprised her - Redefining success beyond grades and dismantling the "they won't socialise" myth - Todd Rose's The End of Average and the fighter-pilot cockpit that fit no one - What it would mean if UK parents could direct their share of education funding, as some US states allow - What "pick and mix" actually looks like day to day for these families - Inside MVA: weekly 1:1 mentors, live lessons, self-directed learning and in-person meetups - MVA's mission for the next five years - becoming a first choice, not a last resort Why you should listen Recorded live in front of a festival field full of parents, educators and home-schooling families, this is Edufuturists at its most unfiltered - real stories from people who've chosen a different path, not theory about it. If you've ever wondered whether there's a genuine alternative to "the school at the end of the road," this conversation makes the case, live, warts and all. Chapters 0:00 Introduction 1:17 Welcome live from the MVA stage 2:27 Meet your hosts: Ben and Steve 3:52 The Woolworths analogy: what "pick and mix" education means 5:18 New book: Pick 'n' Mix Education and where the profits go 6:13 The Horace Mann paradox: he built standardised schooling, then homeschooled his own kids 7:47 Bringing the panel to the stage: Hugh, Hannah and Olivia 8:32 Hugh Viney: founder and CEO of MVA 9:45 Hannah: 16 years of home educating, now at MVA 10:32 Olivia: home-educating mum of two 11:28 The End of Average: the cockpit built for everyone that fit no one 12:39 Hannah's story: relationships, safety, and the results that surprised her 14:01 Beyond grades: celebrating the whole learner, and choosing rather than rejecting school 15:42 "But how will they socialise?" 17:26 What if parents controlled a share of education funding, like some US states allow? 19:06 What pick and mix actually looks like, day to day 20:24 Curiosity, autonomy, and the bedtime analogy 22:04 Inside MVA: weekly mentors, live lessons and self-directed learning 24:23 Why the trip is remembered and the lesson isn't 26:11 From unschooling to formal learning: what the transition actually looks like 27:50 Deferred starts, academy takeovers, and choosing freedom 29:12 "What works for my child" not what works at scale 30:27 MVA's mission for the next five years: first choice, not last resort 32:23 Quickfire Questions 36:35 MVA 5th Birthday Highlights Video Find out more about MVA: https://www.minervavirtual.com/ Thanks so much for joining us again for another episode - we appreciate you. Ben & Steve x Check out all about Edufuturists at https://www.edufuturists.com Want to sponsor future episodes or get involved with the Edufuturists work? Get in touch: info@edufuturists.com Grab your copy of the new Pick 'n' Mix Education book at: https://www.crownhouse.co.uk/picknmix-education Join the Edufuturists Community: edufuturists.com/wolfpack

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Edufuturists #271 Unfinished Business with Mick Waters & David Cameron

Edufuturists #271 Unfinished Business with Mick Waters & David Cameron

In this episode of the podcast, we are joined by David Cameron and Mick Waters to discuss the legacy of Sir Tim Brighouse, a significant figure in UK education. They explore Tim's influence, personal stories, and the concept of 'unfinished business' in education, emphasising the importance of continuous improvement and community engagement. The conversation highlights the need for actionable steps in education and the lasting impact of Tim's work. The conversation reflects on the legacy of people like Sir Tim and others like Sir Ken Robinson and David Price, focusing on the importance of teacher empowerment, the challenges of compliance in education, and the need for a more human-centred approach to teaching. We discuss the impact of politics on education, the necessity of autonomy for teachers, and the significance of inclusion and accessibility in the educational landscape. They advocate for a shift in metrics and accountability, focusing on strengths rather than compliance, and highlight the call to action for educators to retain joy and purpose in their profession.

 Edufuturists #312 Because of You, This Is Me with Jaz Ampaw-Farr

Edufuturists #312 Because of You, This Is Me with Jaz Ampaw-Farr

In this episode of the podcast, we have a profound conversation with Jaz Ampaw-Farr, an educator and author, about the transformative power of teachers and the importance of human connection in education. Jaz shares her personal journey, highlighting the impact of five key teachers in her life who helped shape her resilience and success. The discussion goes deep into the challenges faced by educators, the need for mental health support, and the importance of building authentic relationships with students. Jaz emphasises that education should focus on nurturing human skills and preparing students for an uncertain future, advocating for a shift from traditional behaviour policies to relationship-focused approaches in schools.We also dive into her latest book, Because of You, This Is Me. Grab a copy here: https://www.crownhousepublishing.com/...

 Edufuturists #143 - Co-founding Elon Musk's School with Josh Dahn

Edufuturists #143 - Co-founding Elon Musk's School with Josh Dahn

Joshua Dahn is the Executive Director and founder of Astra Nova School in Los Angeles, California. He is a co-founder of Synthesis, a company that brings students together from around the world to learn through complex games. “Six years ago, Elon Musk asked me to start an experimental school with him at SpaceX. The goal was to develop students who are enthralled by complexity and solving for the unknown.”Joshua co-founded Ad Astra School, the predecessor to Astra Nova, with Elon Musk in 2014. Joshua met Elon while teaching his children at Mirman School for highly gifted children in Los Angeles. Ad Astra School was located on the campus of SpaceX for Elon’s children and some Space X employee’s children. The curriculum at Ad Astra was not that of a typical school. Students learned about artificial intelligence and how to deliver "essentially a TED talk".  To encourage entrepreneurship Ad Astra also had its own unit of currency called the "Astra," which the children were able to trade with each other. Joshua explains that "One of the things they do is three times a year there’s a marketplace called the Bazaar and at the Bazaar the kids have their own companies essentially." Joshua will be delivering the keynote talk at the Edufuturists Awards 2021 on 2nd July. At the online event, where educators from around the UK are celebrated for their innovative approach to education, Joshua will explain the vision behind Astra Nova and how the future of education must adapt to meet the needs of our changing world.

 Edufuturists 183 - Schools Won’t Exist with Sugata Mitra

Edufuturists 183 - Schools Won’t Exist with Sugata Mitra

Sugata Mitra is a world leading educational innovator. Professor Emeritus, NIIT University, Neemrana, Rajasthan, India (Retd. 2019) Professor of Educational Technology, Newcastle University, Newcastle upon Tyne, UK (Former 2012) Visiting Professor, MIT Media Lab, MIT, Cambridge, MA, USA Winner of the Dewang Mehta Prize for Innovation in IT, 2003 Winner of the first ever USD 1 million TED Prize, 2013

Edufuturists #294 Becoming Better Humans with Richard Culatta

Edufuturists #294 Becoming Better Humans with Richard Culatta

In this episode of the podcast, we have the awesome privilege of being joined by none other than Richard Culatta, CEO of ISTE and former White House Education Adviser. We discuss the future of education and the role of technology in enhancing learning experiences.The conversation explores the importance of thoughtful tech integration (or not integration as you will hear Richard say!), the need for innovative teaching practices, and the significance of preparing students for a digital world. Richard shares insights on the Transformational Learning Principles and the necessity of authentic assessment in education. The conversation emphasises collaboration across the education ecosystem and the need to focus on uniquely human skills in an AI-driven future.

Edufuturists #85 - An Education System Fit for Purpose with Lord Jim Knight

Edufuturists #85 - An Education System Fit for Purpose with Lord Jim Knight

We are joined by Lord Jim Knight. Jim is currently the Chief Education and External Officer at TES Global and is currently living in London. Aswell sas this he also chairs XRapid.com - which focuses on moving towards offering free malaria diagnosis across the globe. Jim was a Former UK Government Minister, one role was minister of state schools from 2004-2005, and he is a current member of the House of Lords. He is a visiting professor at the London Knowledge Lab of the Institute of Education in London. He is a big advocate for technology and change needed in education. As well as being the chief Education and External officer Jim comes off the bench to write articles too. You can follow him on twitter @LordJimKnight

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