A Podcast for Change

What if AI could think more like a human - and what would that mean for education, teams, and leadership?
In this episode, Ben and Steve sit down with Kathryn Jablokow, Dean of Engineering at Manhattan University, to explore one of the most fascinating ideas in AI right now: cognitive diversity. With 34 years in engineering education and groundbreaking research into how AI agents can mimic different thinking styles, Kathryn brings a perspective you won't hear anywhere else.

We cover:
- Why AI struggles to find what you actually want
- Adaption-Innovation Theory and what it means for AI development
- Using AI as a genuine team member not just a productivity tool
- What engineering education needs to look like post-ChatGPT
- Why understanding how your team thinks is the real unlock for AI
- The problem with how schools teach teamwork (and why exams are part of the problem)

Whether you're a school leader, educator, or just someone trying to make sense of where AI is heading - this one's for you.

Chapters
00:00 Introductions
01:21 Kathryn Jablokow's Journey in Engineering Education
06:38 Transforming Engineering Education at Manhattan University
13:04 AI's Role in Education and Engineering
20:06 Integrating AI as a Team Member
24:09 The Future of AI in Education
30:42 Navigating Disagreement in AI Development
32:15 The Human Element in AI Interaction
34:11 Cultural Perspectives on AI and Robotics
36:33 Data Privacy and Environmental Concerns
38:32 Job Displacement and Creation in the Age of AI
43:28 Preparing Future Generations for an Evolving Job Market
47:26 Mental Well-Being and Critical Thinking in Education

Check out all about Edufuturists at https://www.edufuturists.com

This podcast episode is a brilliant conversation with Patrick Cozier, who shares his extensive experience in education leadership. The conversation goes into the challenges of decision-making, managing external pressures, leading with humanity, and the impact of paranoia in leadership.

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We also dig into the importance of consultation and feedback in decision-making, the CALM framework, authentic leadership, the journey and maturity of leaders, Patrick's role on the roundtable, and involvement with Show Racism the Red Card. The themes emphasise the significance of collaboration, internal and external calm, authenticity, reflection, influence, and anti-racism work in leadership and education.

Takeaways

- Leadership requires resilience and the ability to manage external pressures effectively.
- Leading with humanity involves recognising the human side of leadership and building trust through honest and real interactions.
- Paranoia in leadership can be challenging, and leaders must learn to cope with the varying opinions and perceptions of others. Consultation and collaboration are crucial in decision-making
- Calm leadership involves maintaining focus, awareness, and authenticity

Chapters
00:00 Introductions
06:30 Managing External Pressures
13:37 Leading with Humanity
20:42 Paranoia in Leadership
29:29 Consultation and Decision-Making
34:35 The CALM Framework
44:17 Journey and Maturity
51:02 Show Racism and Red Card

Grab a copy of Patrick's book here: https://www.amazon.co.uk/Calm-Leadership-Staying-grounded-staying/dp/178583746X

We are joined by Lord Jim Knight. Jim is currently the Chief Education and External Officer at TES Global and is currently living in London. Aswell sas this he also chairs XRapid.com - which focuses on moving towards offering free malaria diagnosis across the globe. Jim was a Former UK Government Minister, one role was minister of state schools from 2004-2005, and he is a current member of the House of Lords. He is a visiting professor at the London Knowledge Lab of the Institute of Education in London. He is a big advocate for technology and change needed in education. As well as being the chief Education and External officer Jim comes off the bench to write articles too. You can follow him on twitter @LordJimKnight